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but I thought about them a lot

and appreciated them a lot,

which is probably good.

So are the three of you

getting on well?

Yeah, most of the time.

As long as we're not

in the car.

Getting lost.

We're atrocious

in the car.

But other than that,

we're good.

It is good.

When we were in London,

we went to Greenwich.

It was built as a maritime

retirement village, almost,

for the sailors from

the Napoleonic Wars,

so that was all

really interesting

because we work in

retirement villages.

These buildings here were built

before Australia was even

discovered.

So that's pretty amazing.

Katie was in awe of it

because

in her degree,

she did art history,

so she just loved it.

What does "university" mean?

Are you going to try and point

your grandchildren into education?

You want them to have

a good education

no matter what they do.

Better

than you had, maybe?

But that's my fault,

really.

I mean, I just didn't

work hard enough, I guess.

You hope the school systems

have changed

to encourage kids to go on,

because one thing

you can't take away from people

is an education.

I mean, the one thing

my daughter's taught me

is that it doesn't

matter what you do,

there's room for all of us,

even to the point

if you don't work, you're still

teaching us something.

You're teaching

other people to care.

How are you dealing

with getting old?

I don't think

you really notice it.

You still think

you're the same.

Maybe when you try

to do something

physically too quickly

and pull a muscle,

that just reminds you

that you're getting older.

Are you fearful of

the future of disability

or unable to do things?

You hope that you're

going to be

one of the fortunate ones

and not get ill in any way.

- Hello, Ken.

- Hello, Paul.

Maybe where I work

may have helped that recently

because people just tend to

get on with their lives

no matter what.

And then that's the one

with the palace.

You got a nice shot

of the bin, there.

That one's good.

You're getting better.

Shut up.

Do you measure your life

in terms of success

and failure in any sense?

I don't really.

I suppose the success is that

we're sitting here together

and that we haven't had

tragedy happen to us.

It's just about getting on

with life

and then enjoy

our grandchildren,

our children, and our friends,

you know.

Yeah. Our goals

of life have never...

And then work

just gets in the way.

Well, we pretend we've

got swords

and we make the noise

of the swords fighting,

and then once we get stabbed,

we go, "aaaah!"

Neil grew up in

a Liverpool suburb

and had dreams

of going to Oxford

but didn't get in.

Instead, he went

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