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playing an important behind-the-scenes role

in developing support for

Bush's war with Iraq.

Man:
[ On radio ]

Yes, they did.

They played a very influential role in, uh...

In various organizations

that looked like they were simply

public interest,

public education organizations,

but which had long

advocated a war with Iraq

ever since the 1991,

uh, the first war with Iraq.

It's been to their...

That is, war is the business.

What I mean when

I say it's not private enterprise,

is that it's much more like

state socialism.

You have only one customer.

The customer

is not particularly interested

in getting the best

possible use of his money.

He's much more

interested in simply...

Getting the contracts filled.

Moreover, there is

a huge circulation of elites today

in the sense that most

of the operating positions,

appointed positions in the Pentagon today,

are executives

from the military-industrial complex.

Whereas, by contrast,

any number of

the high officials in these companies

are retired high-ranking

American military officers.

Woman:
[ On radio ]

Well, I want to thank you

for being with us, Chalmers Johnson.

His piece appears

in this month's... "Harper's".

It's called "War Business:

Squeezing a Profit from the Wreckage in Iraq",

As well as David Bacon whose piece appears

in "Progressive" magazine.

Chalmers Johnson's

piece ends:
"this is the future

when war becomes the most profitable..."

[ Music plays ]

H:

I'd get about 8 or 10, 15 people at the house.

Big party, watch movies, play games.

Happy Horseman:

Kind of a potluck supper kind of thing.

Some people would

bring over some beans or chips

and a meat entree or something.

And of course, lots of beer.

And once in a while

there was a few mixed drinks.

It was kind of fun, throwing

all kinds of stuff into the blender

and churning out things

that kind of had a slushy flavour to them,

that about six or seven

of them would knock you on your ass.

You can only put so many

bottles of rum in some of this stuff.

There was no special flashy...

Nothing going on

that was all that strange and unusual.

I mean, this goes on in hundreds

and thousands of places all over the country.

Age was never

really all that important.

As long as you

were old enough to drink,

you weren't senile

and could talk coherently,

conversation would always ensue.

Do you wear boxers or a thong?

[ Laughter ]

Happy Horseman:

It was pretty much a classless society

of our own little small world.

No one had any kind of

different statuses

and who was this and who was that.

There was no alphas and omegas and betas

running around anywhere.

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