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"in the last two decades."

Yes.

These are the little micro tapes that,

they took about 6 hours of conversation.

That goes in... there.

How long is it

since you listened to these?

Probably not since

I first transcribed them, which, so it is,

it's 25 years ago and

I mean she sounds so alive today,

25 years later

I can relieve that conversation.

I feel very sad that

she's not here anymore.

- Hello Pamela.

- Hello...

- How are you?

- No need to ask who you are.

I feel I should hug you

or kiss you or something.

- Oh!

- I feel I know you so well already.

- Well looking at you...

- I feel I know you so, really yes.

Is it a bit weird.

- It is weird yes.

- Really? Do I look like mum?

You do.

It was so weird

because I didn't,

she obviously didn't tell

anyone in the family,

but there was all this kind

of quite suspicious behaviour going on,

kind of sneaking out or you know

I find the Dictaphone in her glove box.

I was convinced she was having

an affair and confronted her with it

and she still didn't tell me that

that's what she was doing.

She actually met Frank

about three months

before she was due to get married

and that her fianc

introduced her to Frank

and there was an instant sort of

electric connection

between her and Frank,

she was only, I think 20,

she was very young

and she thought, What can I do?

"The flowers are ordered,

the wedding oh..."

Well she was blonde, blue eyes,

beautiful thick head of hair,

beautiful manners, beautiful clothes,

came from quite a wealthy background.

She had

this lovely way of speaking.

Great sense of humour.

And she loved motor racing,

she understood motor racing.

She had a very good feel

for racing drivers.

Frank probably thought

you're not gonna believe it,

she went to a finishing

school in Switzerland,

they've got Labradors

in the garden, I've cracked it.

I suspect that's what he told his mates.

I mean she was just

a fantastic girl to talk to,

it was like talking to a fella,

but you know with, wearing Chanel No. 5

it was just brilliant.

But in those days,

to back out of a marriage

or a looming wedding was

almost impossible to do,

you know invitations had

gone out and stuff like that

and it would've been very tough

for her to, to pull the plug on it.

Anyway she went through with

the wedding

but this attraction didn't go away.

It was the charm,

it was the Frank William's charm I think,

that smile and the big green eyes

and mum just went loony.

You know,

I remember going to cross a road

and she's sitting in a Mini car,

I said, What you doing here?

"She said

Brode, don't say anything to anybody"

and she had a flask and sandwiches and

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