Risk Page #4

Roger.

- Manning is being held

in solitary confinement

And is stripped naked

each night before bed.

- Ultimately, the treatment

of private manning,

Who has yet

to be brought to trial,

That are now making it up

to the president.

- With respect

to private manning,

I have actually

asked the pentagon

Whether or not the procedures

that have been taken

In terms of his confinement

are appropriate

And are meeting

our basic standards.

They assure me that they are.

Hi. How are you?

Did you see the news?

I'm just actually in the car

with dan ellsberg and laura.

I'll put you on.

Julian, hi.

It's outrageous that

this court-martial

Is continuing given

the president's proclamation

That he's guilty already.

It's impossible to get

a fair military trial.

Here you go.

Did you get all that?

Oh, my god, we're driving

past the pentagon.

- Just in brief, they said

that they found an al-qaeda

Operative in afghanistan's

computer that had

The wikileaks afghan documents

downloaded onto it.

They showed a video

of al-qaeda's media service

Showing an al-qaeda leader

talking about jihad

And how they ought

to use wikileaks

In their efforts towards jihad,

And the argument

they're making is that

Manning has-by providing

information to wikileaks,

Has materially aided

the enemy, because

By posting it on the internet,

Wikileaks is providing

information to the enemy,

To terrorist organizations.

It was unbelievable.

The whole-

it was just-

We were sitting there thinking,

"are they serious?"

And it even says,

"the free internet

Is a tool for jihad. "

- The authority said they had

concerns about his safety

And the fact he might

commit suicide.

Now, there's been condemnation

from around the world,

An investigation

by the un's torture investigator

Into those conditions,

But the military

and the u. S. Government

Is continuing

to press this case.

The most serious charge

is one of aiding the enemy.

Now, prosecutors in this case

have said they

Won't seek the death penalty,

so if found guilty,

He would face

life in prison.

there he is.

He's smiling.

- When I was 20,

my first court case,

My two co-defendants

both ratted me

Out to the police

under pressure.

And they both became, um...

Crown witnesses.

Um...

And I refused,

under principle.

And-but it's not that

I didn't think about it.

Um, I don't believe in martyrs,

I don't think.

Some very rare exceptions,

that people should be martyrs,

But I think people

should certainly take risks.

Understand carefully

what the risks are

And what the opportunities

for the situation are,

And make sure these

are in balance.

Um, sometimes, the risk

can be very high,

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