Beuys Page #2

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- But they're afraid of it?

- No.

But... But then we need to...

It's not a bad thing

if people get aggressive.

Let them be aggressive.

At least that gets you talking to them.

You have to provoke it.

Provocation always causes something

to come alive.

Maybe they smash their china at home.

Or maybe they call me up on the phone.

It always happens

after I've been on TV, "Idiot!"

- They call you at home?

- Sure, whenever I've been on TV.

"A**hole!"

Yes... Just a second...

For many people, an means

the freedom of randomness,

"Ah, art. I can do whatever I want."

But what's the point of art

if nothing comes of it?

So whenever people

ask me if I'm an artist,

I say, "Oh, cut the crap."

I'm not here to decorate

these foul, moldering, stinking systems.

I'm not an artist at all.

Except if we say

that everyone is an artist.

I buy into that, but only then.

I never said everyone is a poet,

a painter, a sculptor.

I mean social an

when I say everyone is an artist.

I find what you're saying to be

terribly abstract and intellectual...

No.

I'm talking about

the emergence of a new an

where everyone not only can participate

but must participate.

He was a totally reasonable person,

not at all strange or freakish.

To me he was always totally reasonable.

The opposite of what everyone else said.

"Crazy," "strange," "peculiar."

He was the first sane person I'd ever met.

He was totally sane.

And right after our first one-on-one

conversation at documenta, I knew,

"You can trust him completely."

I thought that was great.

It had nothing to do with his aura.

I just thought he was someone who was

surrounded and courted by people and...

And then he had this incredible,

instinctive self-assurance

and this penetrating gaze.

And...

And a really sharp mind.

You need both, otherwise there's no point.

You're just a dreamer.

But he wasn't.

He was and he wasn't at the same time.

I don't know how anyone can stand that.

He was totally consistent

in his words and actions.

FOR THE DOCUMENTA

7,000 OAKS

You're serious?

If I say I'm going to plant 7,000 oaks,

then I'm going to plant 7,000 oaks.

I think the project

will take at least three years.

Thank you, Mr. Beuys.

How would you help someone

who's dumbfounded by your work

to understand it better?

I would show him the two utensils,

a spoon and a fork

and invite him to eat the object.

During the 100 days of the documenta,

you're spending 10 hours a day

here in your office.

You speak with everyone,

you answer every question...

At the heart of the documenta,

several hectoliters of bee honey

pulsate through

an extensive system of veins.

Title." "The Honey Pump in the Workplace."

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